by
RGray1981
@ Monday, May. 07, 2007 - 01:41:42 pm
After reading Ms Diane Vera's Listing of the Nine Degrees of Submssion I find myself easily at the eighth degree, and very near the ninth, which many believe to be impossible in a consensual setting.
In this listing (see below) I'm sure you'll realise that one represents the lowest end of the scale and, and nine the highest. So, you might ask, why aren't you a nine, Ryan?
Although I am fully committed to obeying and honouring MsV's wishes, there are a few things that I cannot bring myself to do.
I do have limits that Mistress and I have agreed upon. Two that instantly come to mind are the consideration of my vegetarianism and my claustrophobia. On that basis I can not put myself into the Ninth Degree catagory. Also, not that Ms would ever ask me to do such a thing, I could not take a human or animal's life, unless it was in the defense of Ms, another human being, or myself. I could not wound or maim deliberately. I am aware that these are extremes, but nonetheless they are limits.
I will post the full list for your reading pleasure. I realise that some may be familiar with it and others may not be.

The Nine Degrees Of Submission
The Outright Non-Submissive Masochist or Kinky Sensualist - First Degree
Not into servitude, humiliation or giving up of control; just pain and/or spiced-up sensuality, on the masochist's own terms for the masochist's own pleasure (ie: being turned on solely or mainly by one's own bodily sensations, rather than being turned on by being "used" to gratify one's partner's sadism).
Pseudo-Submissive Non-Slave - Second Degree
Not into even playing "slave", but into other "submissive" role-playing, e.g.: schoolteacher scenes, infantilism, "forced" transvestism. Usually into humiliation, but NOT into servitude, even in play. Dictates the scene to a large degree.
Pseudo-Submissive PLAY Slave - Third Degree
Likes to play at being slave. Likes to *feel* subservient; may in some cases like to *feel* that one is being "used" to gratify one's partner's sadism; and may even really serve the dominant in some ways, but only on the "slave's" own terms. Dictates the scene to a large degree; often fetishistic (e.g. foot worshippers).
True Submissive Non-Slave - Fourth Degree
Really gives up control (though only temporarily and within agreed upon limits), but gets his/her main satisfaction from aspects of submission *other than* serving or being used by the dominant. Usually turned on by suspense, vulnerability, and/or giving up of responsibility. Doesn't dictate the scene except in very general terms, but still seeks mainly her/his own *direct* pleasure (rather than getting one's pleasure mainly from pleasing the dominant).
True Submissive PLAY Slave - Fifth Degree
Really gives up control (though only temporarily; only during brief "scenes" and within limits) and gets his/her main satisfaction from serving and being used by the dominant - but only for FUN purposes, usually erotic. (May or may not be into pain, but if so, is turned on by pain *indirectly*, ie: enjoys being the objects of one's partner's sadism, on which the submissive places few requirements or restrictions.)
Uncommitted Short-term but More-than-Play Semi-Slave - Sixth Degree
Really gives up control (though usually within limits); wants to serve and be used by the dominant; wants to provide practical/non-erotic as well as fun/ erotic services; but only when the "slave" is in the mood. May even act as a full-time slave for, say, several days at a time, but is free to quit at any time (or at the end of the agreed upon several days). May or may not have a long-term relationship with one's Mistress/Master, but, either way, the "slave" has the final say over when he or she will serve.
Part-time Consensual but REAL Slave - Seventh Degree
Has ongoing commitment to an owner/slave relationship, and regards oneself as the Mistress'/Master's "property" at all times. Wants to obey and please her/him in all aspects of life - practical/non-erotic as well as fun/erotic. Devotes most of one's time to other commitments (eg: job) but the Mistress/Master has first pick of the slave's free time.
Full-time Live-in Consensual Slave - Eighth Degree
Within no more than a few broad limits/requirements, the slave regards herself/ himself as existing solely for the Mistress'/Master's use, pleasure and well- being. The slave in turn expects to be regarded as a prized possession. Not much different from the situation of the traditional housewife, except that within the S/M world the slave's position is more likely to be fully consensual, especially if the slave is male (since men certainly aren't socially pressured into this kind of lifestyle). Within the S/M world, a full-time "slave" arrangement is entered into with an explicit awareness of the magnitude of power that is being given up, and hence is usually entered into much more carefully, with more awareness of the possible dangers, and with much clearer and more specific agreements than usually precede the traditional marriage.
Consensual Total Slave with No Limits - Ninth Degree
A common fantasy ideal which probably doesn't exist in real life (except in authoritarian religious cults and other situations where the "consent" is induced by brainwashing and/or social or economic pressures, and hence isn't fully consensual). A few S/M purists will insist that you aren't really a slave unless you're willing to do absolutely *anything* for your Mistress/ Master, with no limits at all. There are a few who claim to be no-limits slaves, but in all cases it would be reasonable to doubt the claim.
If you are a submissive which level do you find yourself at? Which level might be your goal to attain?
If You are a Dominant, which level of submissive is best suited to Your requirements? Of those that frequently apply for service, which catagory do You feel the majority fit into?
No matter where you figure into the equation or even if you are completely vanilla, I would enjoy hearing/reading your views.
Ryan
("Nine Degrees of Submission" taken from The Lesbian S/M Safety Manual, edited by Pat Califia, from Lace/Alyson Press, Copyright © 1984 and 1988, Diane Vera, published in Boston, 1988, reissued 1990)